the clintons for decades now have been rather opportunistic. i would err on the side of tunism. >> why must we impute the most cynical motives. the fact 2004 to now the support for gay marriage went from 37% to 58%. most americans are evolving. you had a candidate mitt romney who wasn't evolving he revolved. >> bill: we do a comp place of compilation of polls. about 53. >> thank you. >> bill: there is no doubt many people have evolved whatever you call it why? >> because the world is changing. >> bill: that's b.s. why? why are people changing? >> i think the media may have a lot to do with it. >> bill: the media? >> people are seeing maybe there is is more exposure. >> bill: ellen degeneres pop culture, we like ellen. >> some people are becoming more accepting. >> bill: and you? >> and i also think this is a complicated issue. you can see both sides to a lot of it. a lot of people say and a lot of issues black and white. on this issue there is a lot of gray. people have gay members of their family and they want to see them have the same rights